Posts by The Rebel

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Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD) and the Governing Body

by punkofnice in

i don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.

it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.

i honestly don't know.

The Rebel

punk:-

What is a guardian?

answer ) it is a person with " legal authority"

So I assume he is saying " God" ( did he not say Jehover?) has given the G.B legal authority to be guardians of his doctrines" . Now I assume this would mean the printing and publication of W.T literature.

Its interesting in a court of law it is not always about justice but what is legal. So in a court of law " insane" statements that can't be proven are legal. Who can disprove his statement the G.B are " God" and " Guardians of his doctrine"

Anyway since when did the watchtower = sanity?

The Rebel

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

DJS:-

a fair and valid point, however I never referred to Jesus as "my presious" ( so please don't assume that) I said the character was " a rebel with a cause" who like Smiddy, I believe to be a fictional character.

I also think many Christians believe the message of Jesus, was a war between evil and good. So in short they believe in " just war"

Having said that we all like our baddie films, and make heroes of Killers like " Billy the kid" & " Butch & Sundance" ect. I believe these Idealised images and views of manliness,are seen for what they are entertainment.The difference is I believe people do not see Jesus as entertainment.

Would the view many have of Jessus be weakened with out the violence to the story? I believe to maintain "Jesus popularity " the violent death of Jesus was needed, as much as the message of peace many claim he delivered .

The Rebel.

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

Smiddy "I'm more inclined to think of him as a fictional character..."

And the world would be a sadder place with out its fictional characters. Imagine a world of literature with out Tom & Huck,or Sherlock @ Watson,. And what about our great comedians, or actors from Errol Flynn & John Wayne,to James Dean,De Niro & Pacino, the fictional characters they portray become real to us and in some strange and magical way enrich our life's.

Yet each of the fictional book characters, or the characters portrayed by the actors will be outlived by time, and yet our " idealist fool" (which is how Anne Frank described Jesus) lives on and on....maybe for many because of the message of hope? Ironically many a war has been blamed on that message.

The Rebel.

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The social institution of the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

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it is a warm sunny day, blue skies and i am excited by the prospect this sunday holds.

will i dismantle a motorbike?

paint a picture?

The Rebel

So turning my O.P around what did I miss?

No public talk.

No W.T study.

No 1 hour service.

No magazine placements.

No food at the proper time.

No false handshakes with my brothers.

No wasted petrol.money.

No contributing my money to the W.T

No being told my tie was too flashes.

I am FREE, even if J.Ws would say I am DOOMED. At least I am FREEDOOM (ed)

THE REBEL.

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

" Only the good die young". Or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for YOU. The trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.

This is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero JESUS. I no longer believe he died for my sins. But I want to keep the figure of the man alive in my heart so this is how I do that:-

Jesus remains to me a religious fanatic, a young Jew who wanted to make the world a better place to live in. A REBEL WITH A CAUSE, who fought the establishment. Each of the parties, Pharasis, Scribes and Romans might have used him for their political ends, but he was an idealist who was willing to die for what he believed in.

Being the " son of God" is easy being "a man" is harder. That is enough for me and I still class my childhood friend as a hero,and my " Rebel with a Cause"

Anyway how do you see your Jesus today? Is he the son of God? Simply a man? Or a fictional character?

The Rebel.

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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

by The Rebel in

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the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

The Rebel

I feel sorry for the kids. They read it and loose their innocence because :-

a) Instead of knowing they are taught to understand a W.T world.

b) Instead of feeling they are taught God.

i hadn't really thought about the power and impact that this literature has on " kids" before. Do you feel the same way?

Its worth pointing out W.T literature is translated in to 700 languages.

The Rebel.

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JW Threatened me with Violence Today :)

by cofty in

i popped into the supermarket for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle alongside a couple who used to be in my tuesday group.

i see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance.

i noticed that ian was sporting a shaggy beard.

The Rebel

I also popped in to the supermarket today for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle along side a couple of my former meat eating friends. I see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance. Ian noticed my trolley contained no meat . The isle was less empty without my pork cutlets.

Ian. " you don't eat pig anymore, do you?

Me " That's none of your business"

Ian " I am just curious why you think this way, when you know it tastes so good?"

Me " That's none of your business"

Isn" I am just curious why you behave this way when you eat fish"

Me ( getting up in Ian's face) " Do you want me to hit you? "

Ian " If you hit me I will f..king deck you "

.......................

Conclusion,.....anyway I am looking forward to seeing Ian again. This little incident will provide for weeks of teasing. However maybe if I had showed Ian the evidence to my believes, and respected him we could simply remain friends who begged to differ.

Be the bigger man.

The Rebel.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

The Rebel

Perry my questions were not a long thread and video to research. My questions are:-

a) Why does starting a thread " EXACTLY WHY J.W,s ARE NOT CHRISTIAN" take so much " blah, blah, blah" ?

b) Is it possible you can answer in one sentence:-

1)" WHY" exactly are J.Ws not Christian?

2) " WHY" non " J.W " Christians are Christians?

3) would I be wrong in assuming " YOUR " God would think " YOUR" understanding of Christanality makes you a better person than I.

The Rebel.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

The Rebel

Why does answering a question " EXACTLY, why JW'S are NOT CHRISTIANS" take so much " blah, blah, blah"?

At least this thread is written in English, not Greek, nor French so we can understand .

Please can i have a one sentence answer to:-

A) " WHY" " exactly are not JW'S Christians?

B) And " WHY" non J.W " Christians" say they are Christians?

C) Would I be wrong in assuming your God would think this understanding of " Christianality" makes you a better and more worthy person than I?

The Rebel.

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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

by The Rebel in

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the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

The Rebel

Hi BluesBrother:- " We won't get fooled again"

If that was directed at my " Did Man Land On The Moon....Won't get Fooled Again" thread, it made me laugh.

For the moment, that thread rests. However I do still express some concern that " man landed on the moon"

At least here we can express views other posters may seem weird, something we couldn't do in watchtower land. Even if it does result in some ridicule and humiliation....

Now if I hit my head with a brick I may believe some of the noncence I once believed.

The Rebel.